Jim Rogers: the future of the US involves exchange controls and politicians with Swiss accounts

Take a minute to chew on this interview of Jim Rogers by Keith Fitz-Gerald at Seeking Alpha:

(Rogers) “If you look back at previous countries that have declined, you almost always see exchange controls – all sorts of controls – before failure. America is already doing some of that. America, for example, wouldn’t let the Chinese buy the oil company, wouldn’t let the [Dubai firm] buy the ports, et cetera.

But I’m really talking about full-fledged, all-out exchange controls. That would certainly be a sign, but usually exchange controls are not the end of the story. Historically, they’re somewhere during the decline. Then the politicians bring in exchange controls and then things get worse from there before they bottom.

Before World War II, Japan’s yen was two to the dollar. After they lost the war, the yen was 500 to the dollar. That’s a collapse. That was also a bottom.

These are not predictions for the U.S., but I’m just saying that things have to usually get pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty bad.

It was similar in the United Kingdom. In 1918, the U.K. was the richest, most powerful country in the world. It had just won the First World War, et cetera. By 1939, it had exchange controls and this is in just one generation.  And strict exchange controls. They in fact made it an act of treason for people to use anything except the pound sterling in settling debts.

[Q]: Treason? Wow, I didn’t know that.

Rogers: Yes…an act of treason. It used to be that people could use anything they wanted as money. Gold or other metals. Banks would issue their own currencies.  Anything. You could even use other people’s currencies.

Things were so bad in the U.K. in the 1930s they made it an act of treason to use anything except sterling and then by ’39 they had full-exchange controls...”

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[Q]: Is there a specific signal that this is “over?”

Rogers: Sure…when our entire U.S. cabinet has Swiss bank accounts. Linked inside bank accounts. When that happens, we’ll know we’re getting close because they’ll do it even after it’s illegal – after America’s put in the exchange controls.

[Q]: They’ll move their own money.

Rogers: Yeah, because you look at people like the Israelis and the Argentinians and people who have had exchange controls – the politicians usually figured it out and have taken care of themselves on the side.

[Q]: We saw that in South Africa and other countries, for example, as people tried to get their money out.

Rogers: Everybody figures it out, eventually, including the politicians. They say: “You know, others can’t do this, but it’s alright for us.” Those days will come. I guess when all the congressmen have foreign bank accounts, we’ll be at the bottom.

But we’ve got a long way to go, yet.

In respect to the future of the US and what to do about it in your personal life, Rogers and I are on the exact same page. I once had the chance to ask him if he thought we could go through a phase of deflation along the way, and he said no, that Bernanke would buy stocks, bonds or real estate and do whatever it took to avoid deflation, and of course end up destroying the currency.

Mainstream contrarianism crushed

Markets move in whatever way induces the maximum pain on the maximum number of participants. Those players who mock “mainstream” opinion, if experiencing more success than the crowd, are bound to get overconfident and to see their ranks swell at just the wrong time. Then they themselves are the mainstream, and true contrarians are to be found on the other side of their trades.

Here are ten pillars of what I consider the “mainstream contrarian” movement that just ate a big slice of humble pie:

#1 The dollar is toast, and will keep falling until hyperinflation sets in.

#2 Gold and silver’s rise cannot be stopped until the US trade and budget deficits are brought under control and the debt is reduced–that is, never.

#3 Global oil production has peaked, so oil will continue ever upwards. Oh, and we’ll bomb Iran any day now.

#4 China and India’s growth will continue unabated, and with it, their demand for commodities at any price.

#5 Financial stocks will fall without bounces. Long live SKF!

#6 CPI vastly understates inflation. Just look at M3 or shadowstats.

#7 We are experiencing a return to 1970s style stagflation.

#8 US Treasury bonds are toast.

#9 Deflation cannot happen in a fiat money regime. Bernanke told us he wouldn’t allow it.

#10 When the depression comes and the dollar becomes worthless, the sheeple will awake to the truth about their government and demand their republic back, with Ron Paul as their leader and gold as money.

 

Here’s a tip for frustrated contrarians: Join the deflationists. We’re a super-exclusive club of curmudgeons and equal opportunity shorts. We are gold bugs, but just made some righteous dough shorting gold. We know that oil has peaked, but we shorted it anyway! We know China will rule us all, but we shorted commodities. We know the US is bankrupt, but we aren’t afraid to go long the 30-year.

In a few years, we’ll be pretty popular, but then I think most of us will have moved on, maybe to the hyperinflation camp. If recent history is any guide, the ones who make the most noise (ahem, Peter Schiff) will find it hardest to make the necessary corrections and self-contradictions before the next big pivot.